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Misadventures in dealing with Anime Conventions
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I am posting here the most current issue I am dealing with at an anime convention for anyone who wishes to read.
BTW, I have so far caught the vendor director at Naka-kon 09 contradicting her decisions, basically speaking, I've caught her lying.
This will be updated when new stuff related to it is given.
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Re: This is Mike's email‏
From: Asylum Anime ()
Sent: Thu 3/19/09 12:21 AM
To: Mike ()
Mike,
I don't have all of the e-mails here on this computer. D sometimes downloads them at the store so I think that some of Holly's e-mails may be on the other computer if he hasn't erased them by now. I know that the last one where she said she wouldn't respond to any more e-mails was on the store computer because D told me about that one. I can send you the e-mails that I sent in October, November & December to her requesting tables to which I got no responses.
=================================================================================
No, I was not at Nebraskon. I apologize if any staff members misinformed you. Again, the best I can do is offer to contact you if any tables open up.
H B
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Asylum Anime < > wrote:
Were you at nebraskon then? Because I know i talked to you at one of the two and curt was thinking it was Nebraskon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention
To: Asylum Anime
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: PLEASE CONTACT ME!!
D,
To assure you, you did NOT speak with me at Anime Iowa, as I was not there. I was at Anime Fest Wichita (the same weekend), where I did not speak with any of your representatives.
As I have said, if tables open up, I will certainly let you know. We have had several changes to the Vendor Room layout that caused several delays over the last few months, and technically (if all transactions go through) sold out of tables in August. I apologize for the inconvenience.
H B
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director
================================================================
H,
Do I have to e-mail everyone on the contact list again to get a response from you? I sent an e-mail to you over 4 days ago & I am still waiting to hear back from you. Please respond.
C C
ASYLUM ANIME
=================================================================
Hi. It's my turn now H. This C C (owner of ASYLUM ANIME). I sent you e-mail messages about getting booths at Naka-kon in OCTOBER, NOVEMBER & DECEMBER of 2008 and I did not receive 1 reply from you. We never even received a notice when tables went on sale for dealers. I have been going to NAKA-KON since the first one & this makes me very upset. I am the ONLY MAJOR ANIME DEALER in the state of KANSAS & I have always made it a point to set up at NAKA-KON because it is the closest anime convention to us. I want to know why we never notified when the Dealers tables were made available & why you ignored my previous e-mails for the past few months. I await your reply.
C C
===================================================================
I have been trying to contact your DEALERS ROOM CHAIRMAN about paying for booths for NAKA-KON 2009 for the past few months. BUT I have had NO REPSONSE AT ALL from them. I have been selling at NAKA-KON since the first year & I would like to make sure that I have sufficient booth space for this year's event. PLEASE LET ME KNOW what I have to do to get some ACTION!!!! I look forward to hearing back from you!!
C C
ASYLUM ANIME
Holly's last e-mail to me!!‏
From: Asylum Anime ()
Sent: Thu 3/19/09 1:07 AM
To: Mike ()
Mike,
Here is the last e-mail that I received from Holly on Jan. 15th, 2009. I had to pull it off of one of the other computers in the store. She doesn't give me ANY SPECIFIC REASON as to why we were banned this year. They said it was based on several things but never said what it was that we were doing that upset them so much!!
C
===================================================================
C,
Unfortunately, being a convention coordinator is only a volunteer position from me. My full time job is to be a student, so I have been a bit busy with school in the last few days. I'm sure you understand.
First and foremost, you had question about why your emails in the last few months were ignored. Let me explain how I have chosen to contact vendors this year. I made a list based on several things last year. Where they a popular vendor with our attendees? How did they treat my staff? How did they treat me? How did they get along with other vendors? Were they selling any material that was questionable as far as copyright goes? What was their attitude about Naka-Kon, among other things?
Based on these questions, your store was one of the last vendors on my list to contact. This is the reason why we sold out of tables before you were even notified. I apologize for not simply informing you of this earlier, I hope it does not inconvenience any plans you might have to attend other conventions on the same weekend. You may feel this placement on the list was unjustified, but I am not offering debate. Your placement on this list was not based just on my experience at Naka-Kon, but at other conventions I went to, and even what I have witnessed at your store in Pittsburgh.
My superiors at Naka-Kon are behind my decision, and we encourage you to contact us again next year, when perhaps we can lay out a few concerns and discuss continuing a relationship with our convention. Further emails will not be answered or responded to by any Naka-Kon staff until the convention is over.
Thank you,
H B
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director
Mikes PMs on Naka-kon Forum
From: Ryltar To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:46 pm Subject: Post about Vendors
Please contact SinisterBug about this topic. The topic in the forum has been deleted.
From: get_mik To: SinisterBug Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:33 am Subject: A question about a vender
I was wondering why Asylum Anime has been basically blacklisted this year. They have been a part of Naka-kon since the first one as well has always followed with Naka's rules for venders.
They have tried contacting the staff of Naka many months ago and one flat out told them that they were not going to talk to them. What is going on and why are they being treated so terribly?
Mike
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:55 am Subject: Re: Post about Vendors I have sent a pm to sinisterbug about this matter, but I ask again why was the thread deleted?
The way things have been handled not just on the forum but the lack of responses for other issues is having question if I should even come next year. I have already invested too much time, money and effort for this years convention but the way people are ignored or their stuff removed that is not offensive and the lack of response when something is asked by the forum members OR getting the a ok on a submitted panel has me very concerned.
Last year the forum members petitioned for a forum community section so we could keep the important posts like Faces to Names from getting lost in pages of Misc section, as well as other sections.
Being a forum administrator to many different forums I am aware of how easy it is to create such a section and to even set up a single individual or a few as a moderator there, so time and effort wouldn't really be an issue. I could easily have it done within 5 minutes.
I'm sorry if this is coming off like a rant but these are actual concerns I am having. To be honest I doubt I will get a response back from SinisterBug. I have been ignored on PM's before from the naka-kon staff, as have many other forum members.
I also feel violated by having a thread deleted for no good reason other than that it might bring a little bit of bad press but how do you think the people at Asylum feel when they are told that they won't even get a reason for why they can't come? I enjoyed seeing Asylum at Naka the past two years I have visited, in fact I felt a bit of pride in it as I saw a familiar face working hard. I would check on them often and ask them how they were doing. I was expecting to do the same this year, afterall, they always bought several tables from you guys. Most of their convention stuff they have separate from what they sell in the store, so I was able to see new inventory or buy wall scrolls at the convention discounted price. I'm sure other buyers would of loved to of had them come.
Yet, no reason given to them as to why they can't go this year. That is not what a mature individual is supposed to do. If there is an issue, a response is to be given as to what the issue is and means to see it resolved.
As I said earlier, I'm having questions as if I want to come back next year. If not for the forum members I have becomes friends with and this being the first convention that two of my friends have ever gone to I probably would not come this year. But my obligations are solid this year as I also have two panels to host and have offered to donate for the weekend a game of mine and a TV.
I'm sorry. This venting is not meant for you alone Ryltar but I do hope you can see where I am coming from on the issues I am bringing to your step. These are legitimate concerns from a patron of 3 years now.
Sincerely,
Mike T.
From: Ryltar To: get_mik Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Post about Vendors The thread was deleted because someone higher than I in the food chain told me to delete it. I am sorry about that. I believe it was related to the selling of Bootleg material is why they were not allow to return this year. I'll make sure SinisterBug replies so you know the exact reason.
I can see where you are coming from on these issues and I'm sorry that it is that way. I see my job as improving communication networks between everyone, though I have only been at it for 2 or 3 months before Naka-Kon started. Many of the current Directors were not checking their email or PMs at all. Part of the new rules that have been written are aimed directly at solving this problem.
Let me know if you do not hear back within a week.
Ryltar
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:59 am Subject: Re: Post about Vendors I know for a fact that Asylum has never brought any bootleg material to Naka-kon. The owner prides himself of following all conventions rules while he is at the conventions. As for their store in Pittsburg, all possible bootleg material he might have would of been bought most likely no later than 2006, considering the quantity of dvd's the store has is very minimal as the owner hasn't purchased any in a LONG period of time.
Even if bootlegging was the issue, the staff should of at least talked to them about the situation. He has some old Naruto subtitled stuff, which is the most current video's in his inventory which I know for a fact he had in the store before Naruto was licensed in America.
I do thank you for the response. I really do want to see Naka-kon flourish but this year, the past two months just haven't seemed right to me. I know I've only attended 4 other conventions before this years convention but to me organization has seemed to be lacking this year.
There has also been some issues irl that has been going on the past two weeks which has partially been at fault for my demeanor. For that I apologize.
Mike
From: SinisterBug To: get_mik Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:30 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender Mike,
Thank you for your concern. I have been in communication with Asylum Anime. I am not at liberty to discuss the specifics of that situation. You are welcome to contact Asylum Anime for more details if they are willing to release them to you.
Holly Byers
Naka-Kon Vendor Director
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: Re: Post about Vendors Sinister sent me a pm saying that specifics couldn't be discussed unless Asylum wanted to discuss it with me, which I will talk to them most likely this coming Wednesday since they are closed Tuesdays.
And thanks for the hoping of things getting better. Just the last two weeks hadn't been the best. lol
Mike
From: get_mik To: SinisterBug Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:34 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender I have been given the emails that were sent to Asylum and no real explanation was given.
All that is wanted is the reason why.
As for Asylum's popularity, if you had paid attention to the forums it has been discussed that people were wanting Asylum here. Much of this was discussed back in August when I had just finished going to Nan Desu kon and all.
I know that being a student is top priority but if there are issues with doing the duties you have volunteered for then I would suggest getting more help or handing the position to another. This was one of the reasons you did give Asylum.
email from Holly Byers
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director wrote:
Unfortunately, being a convention coordinator is only a volunteer position from me. My full time job is to be a student, so I have been a bit busy with school in the last few days. I'm sure you understand.
The list you explained to them does not make sense to me at all due to the fact that many individuals have stated that they liked Asylum not only at the convention but also on the forums, so their name being on the last of the list does not make sense, especially since Asylum has been a loyal vendor since the very first Naka till this incident.
As for selling tables before all vendors are notified, this is not a legitimate excuse considering there was plenty of time before and after the known vendors listed on the website were started AND there were open tables then. To notify all vendors isn't that hard to do, considering a simple global email could be sent to all of them at once if you have the vendors email, which in this case I know that Naka-kon had Asylum's email.
Can we please just get to the real answers here as to why Asylum was blacklisted? It is very clear that you did not want Asylum here this year. All that they want as well as I is the TRUTH to be told about this and not to be continued to be covered up.
BTW, I have so far caught the vendor director at Naka-kon 09 contradicting her decisions, basically speaking, I've caught her lying.
This will be updated when new stuff related to it is given.
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Re: This is Mike's email‏
From: Asylum Anime ()
Sent: Thu 3/19/09 12:21 AM
To: Mike ()
Mike,
I don't have all of the e-mails here on this computer. D sometimes downloads them at the store so I think that some of Holly's e-mails may be on the other computer if he hasn't erased them by now. I know that the last one where she said she wouldn't respond to any more e-mails was on the store computer because D told me about that one. I can send you the e-mails that I sent in October, November & December to her requesting tables to which I got no responses.
=================================================================================
No, I was not at Nebraskon. I apologize if any staff members misinformed you. Again, the best I can do is offer to contact you if any tables open up.
H B
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Asylum Anime < > wrote:
Were you at nebraskon then? Because I know i talked to you at one of the two and curt was thinking it was Nebraskon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention
To: Asylum Anime
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: PLEASE CONTACT ME!!
D,
To assure you, you did NOT speak with me at Anime Iowa, as I was not there. I was at Anime Fest Wichita (the same weekend), where I did not speak with any of your representatives.
As I have said, if tables open up, I will certainly let you know. We have had several changes to the Vendor Room layout that caused several delays over the last few months, and technically (if all transactions go through) sold out of tables in August. I apologize for the inconvenience.
H B
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director
================================================================
H,
Do I have to e-mail everyone on the contact list again to get a response from you? I sent an e-mail to you over 4 days ago & I am still waiting to hear back from you. Please respond.
C C
ASYLUM ANIME
=================================================================
Hi. It's my turn now H. This C C (owner of ASYLUM ANIME). I sent you e-mail messages about getting booths at Naka-kon in OCTOBER, NOVEMBER & DECEMBER of 2008 and I did not receive 1 reply from you. We never even received a notice when tables went on sale for dealers. I have been going to NAKA-KON since the first one & this makes me very upset. I am the ONLY MAJOR ANIME DEALER in the state of KANSAS & I have always made it a point to set up at NAKA-KON because it is the closest anime convention to us. I want to know why we never notified when the Dealers tables were made available & why you ignored my previous e-mails for the past few months. I await your reply.
C C
===================================================================
I have been trying to contact your DEALERS ROOM CHAIRMAN about paying for booths for NAKA-KON 2009 for the past few months. BUT I have had NO REPSONSE AT ALL from them. I have been selling at NAKA-KON since the first year & I would like to make sure that I have sufficient booth space for this year's event. PLEASE LET ME KNOW what I have to do to get some ACTION!!!! I look forward to hearing back from you!!
C C
ASYLUM ANIME
Holly's last e-mail to me!!‏
From: Asylum Anime ()
Sent: Thu 3/19/09 1:07 AM
To: Mike ()
Mike,
Here is the last e-mail that I received from Holly on Jan. 15th, 2009. I had to pull it off of one of the other computers in the store. She doesn't give me ANY SPECIFIC REASON as to why we were banned this year. They said it was based on several things but never said what it was that we were doing that upset them so much!!
C
===================================================================
C,
Unfortunately, being a convention coordinator is only a volunteer position from me. My full time job is to be a student, so I have been a bit busy with school in the last few days. I'm sure you understand.
First and foremost, you had question about why your emails in the last few months were ignored. Let me explain how I have chosen to contact vendors this year. I made a list based on several things last year. Where they a popular vendor with our attendees? How did they treat my staff? How did they treat me? How did they get along with other vendors? Were they selling any material that was questionable as far as copyright goes? What was their attitude about Naka-Kon, among other things?
Based on these questions, your store was one of the last vendors on my list to contact. This is the reason why we sold out of tables before you were even notified. I apologize for not simply informing you of this earlier, I hope it does not inconvenience any plans you might have to attend other conventions on the same weekend. You may feel this placement on the list was unjustified, but I am not offering debate. Your placement on this list was not based just on my experience at Naka-Kon, but at other conventions I went to, and even what I have witnessed at your store in Pittsburgh.
My superiors at Naka-Kon are behind my decision, and we encourage you to contact us again next year, when perhaps we can lay out a few concerns and discuss continuing a relationship with our convention. Further emails will not be answered or responded to by any Naka-Kon staff until the convention is over.
Thank you,
H B
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director
Mikes PMs on Naka-kon Forum
From: Ryltar To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:46 pm Subject: Post about Vendors
Please contact SinisterBug about this topic. The topic in the forum has been deleted.
From: get_mik To: SinisterBug Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:33 am Subject: A question about a vender
I was wondering why Asylum Anime has been basically blacklisted this year. They have been a part of Naka-kon since the first one as well has always followed with Naka's rules for venders.
They have tried contacting the staff of Naka many months ago and one flat out told them that they were not going to talk to them. What is going on and why are they being treated so terribly?
Mike
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:55 am Subject: Re: Post about Vendors I have sent a pm to sinisterbug about this matter, but I ask again why was the thread deleted?
The way things have been handled not just on the forum but the lack of responses for other issues is having question if I should even come next year. I have already invested too much time, money and effort for this years convention but the way people are ignored or their stuff removed that is not offensive and the lack of response when something is asked by the forum members OR getting the a ok on a submitted panel has me very concerned.
Last year the forum members petitioned for a forum community section so we could keep the important posts like Faces to Names from getting lost in pages of Misc section, as well as other sections.
Being a forum administrator to many different forums I am aware of how easy it is to create such a section and to even set up a single individual or a few as a moderator there, so time and effort wouldn't really be an issue. I could easily have it done within 5 minutes.
I'm sorry if this is coming off like a rant but these are actual concerns I am having. To be honest I doubt I will get a response back from SinisterBug. I have been ignored on PM's before from the naka-kon staff, as have many other forum members.
I also feel violated by having a thread deleted for no good reason other than that it might bring a little bit of bad press but how do you think the people at Asylum feel when they are told that they won't even get a reason for why they can't come? I enjoyed seeing Asylum at Naka the past two years I have visited, in fact I felt a bit of pride in it as I saw a familiar face working hard. I would check on them often and ask them how they were doing. I was expecting to do the same this year, afterall, they always bought several tables from you guys. Most of their convention stuff they have separate from what they sell in the store, so I was able to see new inventory or buy wall scrolls at the convention discounted price. I'm sure other buyers would of loved to of had them come.
Yet, no reason given to them as to why they can't go this year. That is not what a mature individual is supposed to do. If there is an issue, a response is to be given as to what the issue is and means to see it resolved.
As I said earlier, I'm having questions as if I want to come back next year. If not for the forum members I have becomes friends with and this being the first convention that two of my friends have ever gone to I probably would not come this year. But my obligations are solid this year as I also have two panels to host and have offered to donate for the weekend a game of mine and a TV.
I'm sorry. This venting is not meant for you alone Ryltar but I do hope you can see where I am coming from on the issues I am bringing to your step. These are legitimate concerns from a patron of 3 years now.
Sincerely,
Mike T.
From: Ryltar To: get_mik Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Post about Vendors The thread was deleted because someone higher than I in the food chain told me to delete it. I am sorry about that. I believe it was related to the selling of Bootleg material is why they were not allow to return this year. I'll make sure SinisterBug replies so you know the exact reason.
I can see where you are coming from on these issues and I'm sorry that it is that way. I see my job as improving communication networks between everyone, though I have only been at it for 2 or 3 months before Naka-Kon started. Many of the current Directors were not checking their email or PMs at all. Part of the new rules that have been written are aimed directly at solving this problem.
Let me know if you do not hear back within a week.
Ryltar
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:59 am Subject: Re: Post about Vendors I know for a fact that Asylum has never brought any bootleg material to Naka-kon. The owner prides himself of following all conventions rules while he is at the conventions. As for their store in Pittsburg, all possible bootleg material he might have would of been bought most likely no later than 2006, considering the quantity of dvd's the store has is very minimal as the owner hasn't purchased any in a LONG period of time.
Even if bootlegging was the issue, the staff should of at least talked to them about the situation. He has some old Naruto subtitled stuff, which is the most current video's in his inventory which I know for a fact he had in the store before Naruto was licensed in America.
I do thank you for the response. I really do want to see Naka-kon flourish but this year, the past two months just haven't seemed right to me. I know I've only attended 4 other conventions before this years convention but to me organization has seemed to be lacking this year.
There has also been some issues irl that has been going on the past two weeks which has partially been at fault for my demeanor. For that I apologize.
Mike
From: SinisterBug To: get_mik Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:30 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender Mike,
Thank you for your concern. I have been in communication with Asylum Anime. I am not at liberty to discuss the specifics of that situation. You are welcome to contact Asylum Anime for more details if they are willing to release them to you.
Holly Byers
Naka-Kon Vendor Director
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: Re: Post about Vendors Sinister sent me a pm saying that specifics couldn't be discussed unless Asylum wanted to discuss it with me, which I will talk to them most likely this coming Wednesday since they are closed Tuesdays.
And thanks for the hoping of things getting better. Just the last two weeks hadn't been the best. lol
Mike
From: get_mik To: SinisterBug Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:34 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender I have been given the emails that were sent to Asylum and no real explanation was given.
All that is wanted is the reason why.
As for Asylum's popularity, if you had paid attention to the forums it has been discussed that people were wanting Asylum here. Much of this was discussed back in August when I had just finished going to Nan Desu kon and all.
I know that being a student is top priority but if there are issues with doing the duties you have volunteered for then I would suggest getting more help or handing the position to another. This was one of the reasons you did give Asylum.
email from Holly Byers
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director wrote:
Unfortunately, being a convention coordinator is only a volunteer position from me. My full time job is to be a student, so I have been a bit busy with school in the last few days. I'm sure you understand.
The list you explained to them does not make sense to me at all due to the fact that many individuals have stated that they liked Asylum not only at the convention but also on the forums, so their name being on the last of the list does not make sense, especially since Asylum has been a loyal vendor since the very first Naka till this incident.
As for selling tables before all vendors are notified, this is not a legitimate excuse considering there was plenty of time before and after the known vendors listed on the website were started AND there were open tables then. To notify all vendors isn't that hard to do, considering a simple global email could be sent to all of them at once if you have the vendors email, which in this case I know that Naka-kon had Asylum's email.
Can we please just get to the real answers here as to why Asylum was blacklisted? It is very clear that you did not want Asylum here this year. All that they want as well as I is the TRUTH to be told about this and not to be continued to be covered up.
Mike
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:41 pm Subject: Re: Post about Vendors I have sent Sinister another pm as she sent me one stating that she was not able to give me a reason and that she had told Asylum what was the issue, in which I talked to the owner of Asylum and he still doesn't know why they were blacklisted this year.
Here is the pm I sent to her. If learning the truth and getting the word out get's me banned from this forum then so be it. The truth is very important to me.
Also, if Naka needs someone else to do the talking to Vendors, I volunteer myself to help in that department. I am a student and I work but when I commit to something I do it.
One more thing before the pm I sent... I have all of the email information Asylum was sent and that they sent that Asylum still has. If you like I can share this with you. Here is a sample of that an email.
email wrote:
First and foremost, you had question about why your emails in the last few months were ignored. Let me explain how I have chosen to contact vendors this year. I made a list based on several things last year. Where they a popular vendor with our attendees? How did they treat my staff? How did they treat me? How did they get along with other vendors? Were they selling any material that was questionable as far as copyright goes? What was their attitude about Naka-Kon, among other things?
PM sent to Sinister wrote:
I have been given the emails that were sent to Asylum and no real explanation was given.
All that is wanted is the reason why.
As for Asylum's popularity, if you had paid attention to the forums it has been discussed that people were wanting Asylum here. Much of this was discussed back in August when I had just finished going to Nan Desu kon and all.
I know that being a student is top priority but if there are issues with doing the duties you have volunteered for then I would suggest getting more help or handing the position to another. This was one of the reasons you did give Asylum.
email from Holly Byers
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director wrote:
Unfortunately, being a convention coordinator is only a volunteer position from me. My full time job is to be a student, so I have been a bit busy with school in the last few days. I'm sure you understand.
The list you explained to them does not make sense to me at all due to the fact that many individuals have stated that they liked Asylum not only at the convention but also on the forums, so their name being on the last of the list does not make sense, especially since Asylum has been a loyal vendor since the very first Naka till this incident.
As for selling tables before all vendors are notified, this is not a legitimate excuse considering there was plenty of time before and after the known vendors listed on the website were started AND there were open tables then. To notify all vendors isn't that hard to do, considering a simple global email could be sent to all of them at once if you have the vendors email, which in this case I know that Naka-kon had Asylum's email.
Can we please just get to the real answers here as to why Asylum was blacklisted? It is very clear that you did not want Asylum here this year. All that they want as well as I is the TRUTH to be told about this and not to be continued to be covered up.
Mike
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
From: SinisterBug To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:17 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender Mike,
First and foremost, I do not appreciate my ability to do my VOLUNTEER JOB being called into question. Every person that works for Naka-Kon works their tush off all year round to make this happen for no pay. When you have the time to dedicate every day to Naka-Kon without pay, you have no other job to go to, no school to get done, no family to interact with, then I suggest you say the things you just said to me.
And in regards to your using that quote - welcome to using things out of context. I told them the reason I had not responded to their emails (not what I said in my emails, but WHEN I sent my emails) was because I am a student, and I am busy.
If you thoroughly read the emails that Asylum Anime let you so indiscriminately read, then you know the main reason (because there are others, and no, I don't have to reveal them) we are not inviting them back. There should be no question. I know they are popular, I know there were multiple requests to have them in attendance, and I know they have been with Naka-Kon every year except this one. But I am the Vendor Director, and I made a decision not to have them back. This decision went through all the proper Naka-Kon channels and was agreed upon by the convention committee and the other directors. As long as I am the Vendor Director for Naka-Kon, Asylum Anime will not be asked back to Naka-Kon unless they make some major changes to the merchandise they sell at their store and at other conventions, among other things.
This decision was made before the tables were sold out, hence why the email was never sent out. It was not needed, because the tables were sold out.
Any further complaints, concerns or inquiries can be directed to info@naka-kon.com, attn: Con Comm. Rest assured that if I am not the Vendor Director for Naka-Kon next year, this situation will be reevaluated.
From: Tokage To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:21 pm Subject: Situation with vendors get_mik,
I have been told about the situation regarding your discussion with our vendors director and a complaint about not having Anime Asylum at our convention.
That being said, there is no need to start threads that insight forum drama or negativity and should be handled in a private matter and not in the public forum. I am not banning you but giving you a warning to stop.
From: get_mik To: Tokage Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Situation with vendors As I have stated with Ryltar shouldn't the people who attend Naka know why a vendor that they want to be at the convention can't go?
I'm trying to do this privately now since my first thread was deleted. I created the current thread that I had done today which is no longer there because I am afraid if I keep on searching for an answer I'm going to get banned and trust me, if I get banned to find the answer than so be it.
The entire situation could of easily been resolved in the very beginning IF:
Asylum Anime was told why they couldn't come instead of tables being sold out, which I know for a fact was a lie when Asylum had started to discuss tables with Naka. I know this because I have been keeping taps on the issue since the vendors list was posted.
In the original thread I created someone had answered the question then instead of deleting that thread without a reason given. I am an admin at other forums and I follow the rules of the forums I go to. To have a thread deleted all because it might cause bad rep is NOT good for PR, especially when the thread followed the rules.
If you want I can supply the email messages given to and from Asylum. The fact that no one had the nerve to flat out tell them why they couldn't come after they have been with Naka-kon since it's origins is what is causing me to go on this crusaide for the real reasons.
If Naka-kon wishes to make a bold statement then by all means, MAKE IT BOLD. To be completely candid here the owner of Asylum and myself have already came up with the most logical reason as to why they were not invited. Any person can see it, but no one has had the nerve to admit it on the end of Naka-kon that the few remaining dvd's that they have in their store, which they do NOT bring to conventions, is why they were not invited to Naka-kon.
As I said in the thread I created today but is no longer with us... which burns me ever so much because of the lack of faith that is being shown to the ability that the forum members for understanding among other things... I am going to pursue the truth and that pursuit might be the cause of my banning. I knew I wasn't going to get banned after I sent my last pm to SinisterBug but anything I do after that I had feared it and I still due but my moral principle is demanding me to continue on.
The original PM I got from SinisterBug said I could see if Asylum would disclose the information between the two parties involved. I did and got it. SinisterBug did NOT answer Asylum at all, even though it is clearly stated that everyone else supported her decision to exclude Asylum.
I had sent a PM to her on the matter and used some of her own email which was used as an excuse from her to Asylum for taking so long to get back with them. I get in response back to it that she does not appreciate her volunteer job being put into question.
She herself put herself into question from the email she sent. I know that everyone on staff works hard but making an excuse as to why for several months no response was given back at all due to being busy with school is not a proper excuse for someone that commands power in any organization.
I am not trying to come off as an ass. I like Naka-kon very much but this years performance did not help me enjoy it that much. I myself had volunteered my time as a panelist, donated my own equipment for the gaming room, and among other things done what I could to get the word out of Naka-kon. I personally brought two of my friends who had never been to an anime convention to their first one to Naka-kon this year. I do what I can to support the convention and I believe 100%ly that I am still doing so by trying to get to the bottom of this nonsense. In the end, this boils down to nothing but nonsense.
What has Asylum Anime done to Naka that has earned them to be treated so disgustedly? Seriously, a simple answer is all Curt (the owner of Asylum) and myself have been wanting for months now. After all, I asked this question originally last year.
I'm from Missouri. The Show Me state. The area of the world where people can be brutally honest and blunt. Why is it that I can't get any of this from the convention I love so dearly?
Mike Tinsley
From: get_mik To: SinisterBug Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:36 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender I would first like to apologize for it appears that you misunderstood my quoting the quote I did nor the sentence before it. I know that the part in the quote was not meant to be a part of the main body of the topic but it was still an excuse as to why it took so long to give a response.
Being in a position of authority it is a duty, volunteered or paid, to try to check and respond to emails within a reasonable amount of time. Talk to anyone that volunteers for the Red Cross.
I myself work, go to school, hang out with friends and family, and am active on different forums along with other obligations. I know it is tiring but checking an email at least once a week or so is kind of in the job description of being a director.
This has been an issue with not just one director either for other forum members have had this issue with the lack of response when it came to different requests, not just on the forums.
Trust me, I do not ask of others that I would not ask of myself. Do not think I have not been in similar circumstances. Try being an administrator to a forum of a very popular game when there is full activity, 10+ pm's a day minimum when activity is high, all that need responding, while going to school, working, and still having a social life.
As for the decision to not allow Asylum to Naka was made before the tables were sold, which clearly that decision was given, then why did you tell Asylum that if tables were to open up you would contact them? Why did you also state that you went by a list and that Asylum was at the end of the list and that the tables were sold out before you got to them?
Where is the honesty in Naka? Seriously? Do you wish for me to send you all of the information I have collected so you can verify to make sure that I'm not being manipulated by Asylum? I want the truth and you haven't been eager to discuss it with me and have not given me a reason as to why not to trust Asylum with what was given to me.
As I told Tokage, I'm from Missouri, the show me state, where people are proud to be bold and blunt about stuff. I am seeking the truth. I find the truth to be a good thing, especially when it deals with matters where there is no reason to not disclose it. I have Asylum's permission to pursue the truth which leads me back to you when you said in the first pm
pm wrote:
Mike,
Thank you for your concern. I have been in communication with Asylum Anime. I am not at liberty to discuss the specifics of that situation. You are welcome to contact Asylum Anime for more details if they are willing to release them to you.
Holly Byers
Naka-Kon Vendor Director
They disclosed the info with me and never once did you flat out tell them why they were blacklisted. As I stated you said that the tables were sold out before you got to them, yet you just told me that the convention committee supported your decision to not invite them there.
It is also true that you do not have to disclose this information. But by my moral principles, I will seek the truth. If I get banned for it, then so be it. To me, the truth is worth it.
At the way I am seeing it right now, Naka is being corrupted right now and I am trying to set it free. Withholding information that has no reason to be withheld is a grievous sin in my opinion.
What all do you really have to lose to explain it? I have Asylums permission to seek the truth. They want an answer as much as I do. We can guess on the matter all we want, but we will not know for sure without your support on the matter.
Sincerely,
Mike
From: SinisterBug To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:53 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender I will no longer respond to these personal PMs. As I have said, direct your concerns to info@naka-kon.com attn: Con Comm.
RE: The current situation and all‏
From: Mike Tinsley ()
Sent: Thu 3/19/09 10:18 PM
To: Curt Cowguill ()
I would like to have the email you sent her for my records. I have already 13 pages of stuff saved in a MS Word document with the emails you sent me already and all of the pm's I've sent and received on this matter. She has already stated she will not respond to any more pm's from me on the matter and all other forms of communication on it need to be dealt to the different email thing to the committee.
As for the individual who I was talking to he had said that he knew some people with money but the amount of money available was not mentioned to me.
attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Fri 3/20/09 12:00 AM
To: info@naka-kon.com
1 attachment
Asylum An...docx (24.6 KB)
I have tried to get this done privately as Tokage had suggested and SinisterBug told me that they are no longer doing anything via pm's and that I needed to contact you all here this way.
Attached is a word document that has all of the pm's and email info that I have compiled from my own attempts to get to the answers as well as Asylums.
I have caught the Vendor Director saying one thing at one point and stating another again later. She claims to have told Asylum why they were not allowed this year yet in the info given to me from the owner of Asylum no such info was ever truly given. The Vendor Director had stated to me that it was decided before even the tables were sold out that she had the committee's support on the decision to not allow Asylum to go to Naka-kon this year YET did not tell Asylum why in any of those emails as to why and even stated that if tables were to become available that she would notify them.
I do not know SinisterBug personally but from a professional standpoint she is really failing in the public relations area. All Asylum and myself and everyone else that wished for them to be at the convention that I have talked to just want to know the truth behind the matter. We can assume a few issues here and there but I was taught to never assume because of what it makes out of u and me.
I wish Naka to prosper. Heck, if I didn't I wouldn't of done what I could this year to help out. What I am doing is for the sake of making Naka-kon better. I'm sorry if I am stepping on toes but the way I feel about this a great injustice is happening and it is coming off that some of the people in power have an elitist complex or something.
Seriously, why is it such a hassle to just state the reason as to why Asylum Anime was blacklisted? The convention goers as well as the vendor does deserve the right to know the truth.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
Re: The current situation and all‏
From: Asylum Anime ()
Sent: Fri 3/20/09 9:34 AM
To: Mike Tinsley ()
I appreciate all of the effort you are putting into getting to the bottom of this. I have a feeling that as long as H is the head of the dealers Room that she will never let me set up at Naka-kon (No matter how much we kiss her ass). She obviously has something against us but doesn't have the balls to tell us.
Do you think that I should try to press her for an explanation? She doesn't have to be the Vendor's Director for 2010 in order to tell me why she blacklisted me in 2009. I'll be at Gorilla Con today & saturday at the Pittsburg Auditorium if you want to come by & talk. Thanks again for all of your help.
Curt
RE: The current situation and all‏
From: Mike Tinsley ()
Sent: Fri 3/20/09 1:26 PM
To: Curt Cowguill ()
You won't get anything from her. She doesn't have the nerve to explain herself and is hiding behind the committee. So, I sent the committee the one email and I am hoping to get a response back.
I won't be able to make it by today and I highly doubt I will be able to tomorrow due to school work and normal work.
I also will not be working on Wednesday but I will still be coming by. Dusty has school and I'll just have him drop me off after he gets out of some of his classes.
If I were you I would contact the Naka-kon committee and ask for the reasons. She keeps on using them as a shield for her reasons but she also has been proven to of lied to you from the messages you have received and from what I have received.
Mike
From: get_mik To: Ryltar Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:41 pm Subject: Re: Post about Vendors I have sent Sinister another pm as she sent me one stating that she was not able to give me a reason and that she had told Asylum what was the issue, in which I talked to the owner of Asylum and he still doesn't know why they were blacklisted this year.
Here is the pm I sent to her. If learning the truth and getting the word out get's me banned from this forum then so be it. The truth is very important to me.
Also, if Naka needs someone else to do the talking to Vendors, I volunteer myself to help in that department. I am a student and I work but when I commit to something I do it.
One more thing before the pm I sent... I have all of the email information Asylum was sent and that they sent that Asylum still has. If you like I can share this with you. Here is a sample of that an email.
email wrote:
First and foremost, you had question about why your emails in the last few months were ignored. Let me explain how I have chosen to contact vendors this year. I made a list based on several things last year. Where they a popular vendor with our attendees? How did they treat my staff? How did they treat me? How did they get along with other vendors? Were they selling any material that was questionable as far as copyright goes? What was their attitude about Naka-Kon, among other things?
PM sent to Sinister wrote:
I have been given the emails that were sent to Asylum and no real explanation was given.
All that is wanted is the reason why.
As for Asylum's popularity, if you had paid attention to the forums it has been discussed that people were wanting Asylum here. Much of this was discussed back in August when I had just finished going to Nan Desu kon and all.
I know that being a student is top priority but if there are issues with doing the duties you have volunteered for then I would suggest getting more help or handing the position to another. This was one of the reasons you did give Asylum.
email from Holly Byers
Naka-Kon 2009 Vendor Director wrote:
Unfortunately, being a convention coordinator is only a volunteer position from me. My full time job is to be a student, so I have been a bit busy with school in the last few days. I'm sure you understand.
The list you explained to them does not make sense to me at all due to the fact that many individuals have stated that they liked Asylum not only at the convention but also on the forums, so their name being on the last of the list does not make sense, especially since Asylum has been a loyal vendor since the very first Naka till this incident.
As for selling tables before all vendors are notified, this is not a legitimate excuse considering there was plenty of time before and after the known vendors listed on the website were started AND there were open tables then. To notify all vendors isn't that hard to do, considering a simple global email could be sent to all of them at once if you have the vendors email, which in this case I know that Naka-kon had Asylum's email.
Can we please just get to the real answers here as to why Asylum was blacklisted? It is very clear that you did not want Asylum here this year. All that they want as well as I is the TRUTH to be told about this and not to be continued to be covered up.
Mike
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
From: SinisterBug To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:17 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender Mike,
First and foremost, I do not appreciate my ability to do my VOLUNTEER JOB being called into question. Every person that works for Naka-Kon works their tush off all year round to make this happen for no pay. When you have the time to dedicate every day to Naka-Kon without pay, you have no other job to go to, no school to get done, no family to interact with, then I suggest you say the things you just said to me.
And in regards to your using that quote - welcome to using things out of context. I told them the reason I had not responded to their emails (not what I said in my emails, but WHEN I sent my emails) was because I am a student, and I am busy.
If you thoroughly read the emails that Asylum Anime let you so indiscriminately read, then you know the main reason (because there are others, and no, I don't have to reveal them) we are not inviting them back. There should be no question. I know they are popular, I know there were multiple requests to have them in attendance, and I know they have been with Naka-Kon every year except this one. But I am the Vendor Director, and I made a decision not to have them back. This decision went through all the proper Naka-Kon channels and was agreed upon by the convention committee and the other directors. As long as I am the Vendor Director for Naka-Kon, Asylum Anime will not be asked back to Naka-Kon unless they make some major changes to the merchandise they sell at their store and at other conventions, among other things.
This decision was made before the tables were sold out, hence why the email was never sent out. It was not needed, because the tables were sold out.
Any further complaints, concerns or inquiries can be directed to info@naka-kon.com, attn: Con Comm. Rest assured that if I am not the Vendor Director for Naka-Kon next year, this situation will be reevaluated.
From: Tokage To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:21 pm Subject: Situation with vendors get_mik,
I have been told about the situation regarding your discussion with our vendors director and a complaint about not having Anime Asylum at our convention.
That being said, there is no need to start threads that insight forum drama or negativity and should be handled in a private matter and not in the public forum. I am not banning you but giving you a warning to stop.
From: get_mik To: Tokage Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Situation with vendors As I have stated with Ryltar shouldn't the people who attend Naka know why a vendor that they want to be at the convention can't go?
I'm trying to do this privately now since my first thread was deleted. I created the current thread that I had done today which is no longer there because I am afraid if I keep on searching for an answer I'm going to get banned and trust me, if I get banned to find the answer than so be it.
The entire situation could of easily been resolved in the very beginning IF:
Asylum Anime was told why they couldn't come instead of tables being sold out, which I know for a fact was a lie when Asylum had started to discuss tables with Naka. I know this because I have been keeping taps on the issue since the vendors list was posted.
In the original thread I created someone had answered the question then instead of deleting that thread without a reason given. I am an admin at other forums and I follow the rules of the forums I go to. To have a thread deleted all because it might cause bad rep is NOT good for PR, especially when the thread followed the rules.
If you want I can supply the email messages given to and from Asylum. The fact that no one had the nerve to flat out tell them why they couldn't come after they have been with Naka-kon since it's origins is what is causing me to go on this crusaide for the real reasons.
If Naka-kon wishes to make a bold statement then by all means, MAKE IT BOLD. To be completely candid here the owner of Asylum and myself have already came up with the most logical reason as to why they were not invited. Any person can see it, but no one has had the nerve to admit it on the end of Naka-kon that the few remaining dvd's that they have in their store, which they do NOT bring to conventions, is why they were not invited to Naka-kon.
As I said in the thread I created today but is no longer with us... which burns me ever so much because of the lack of faith that is being shown to the ability that the forum members for understanding among other things... I am going to pursue the truth and that pursuit might be the cause of my banning. I knew I wasn't going to get banned after I sent my last pm to SinisterBug but anything I do after that I had feared it and I still due but my moral principle is demanding me to continue on.
The original PM I got from SinisterBug said I could see if Asylum would disclose the information between the two parties involved. I did and got it. SinisterBug did NOT answer Asylum at all, even though it is clearly stated that everyone else supported her decision to exclude Asylum.
I had sent a PM to her on the matter and used some of her own email which was used as an excuse from her to Asylum for taking so long to get back with them. I get in response back to it that she does not appreciate her volunteer job being put into question.
She herself put herself into question from the email she sent. I know that everyone on staff works hard but making an excuse as to why for several months no response was given back at all due to being busy with school is not a proper excuse for someone that commands power in any organization.
I am not trying to come off as an ass. I like Naka-kon very much but this years performance did not help me enjoy it that much. I myself had volunteered my time as a panelist, donated my own equipment for the gaming room, and among other things done what I could to get the word out of Naka-kon. I personally brought two of my friends who had never been to an anime convention to their first one to Naka-kon this year. I do what I can to support the convention and I believe 100%ly that I am still doing so by trying to get to the bottom of this nonsense. In the end, this boils down to nothing but nonsense.
What has Asylum Anime done to Naka that has earned them to be treated so disgustedly? Seriously, a simple answer is all Curt (the owner of Asylum) and myself have been wanting for months now. After all, I asked this question originally last year.
I'm from Missouri. The Show Me state. The area of the world where people can be brutally honest and blunt. Why is it that I can't get any of this from the convention I love so dearly?
Mike Tinsley
From: get_mik To: SinisterBug Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:36 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender I would first like to apologize for it appears that you misunderstood my quoting the quote I did nor the sentence before it. I know that the part in the quote was not meant to be a part of the main body of the topic but it was still an excuse as to why it took so long to give a response.
Being in a position of authority it is a duty, volunteered or paid, to try to check and respond to emails within a reasonable amount of time. Talk to anyone that volunteers for the Red Cross.
I myself work, go to school, hang out with friends and family, and am active on different forums along with other obligations. I know it is tiring but checking an email at least once a week or so is kind of in the job description of being a director.
This has been an issue with not just one director either for other forum members have had this issue with the lack of response when it came to different requests, not just on the forums.
Trust me, I do not ask of others that I would not ask of myself. Do not think I have not been in similar circumstances. Try being an administrator to a forum of a very popular game when there is full activity, 10+ pm's a day minimum when activity is high, all that need responding, while going to school, working, and still having a social life.
As for the decision to not allow Asylum to Naka was made before the tables were sold, which clearly that decision was given, then why did you tell Asylum that if tables were to open up you would contact them? Why did you also state that you went by a list and that Asylum was at the end of the list and that the tables were sold out before you got to them?
Where is the honesty in Naka? Seriously? Do you wish for me to send you all of the information I have collected so you can verify to make sure that I'm not being manipulated by Asylum? I want the truth and you haven't been eager to discuss it with me and have not given me a reason as to why not to trust Asylum with what was given to me.
As I told Tokage, I'm from Missouri, the show me state, where people are proud to be bold and blunt about stuff. I am seeking the truth. I find the truth to be a good thing, especially when it deals with matters where there is no reason to not disclose it. I have Asylum's permission to pursue the truth which leads me back to you when you said in the first pm
pm wrote:
Mike,
Thank you for your concern. I have been in communication with Asylum Anime. I am not at liberty to discuss the specifics of that situation. You are welcome to contact Asylum Anime for more details if they are willing to release them to you.
Holly Byers
Naka-Kon Vendor Director
They disclosed the info with me and never once did you flat out tell them why they were blacklisted. As I stated you said that the tables were sold out before you got to them, yet you just told me that the convention committee supported your decision to not invite them there.
It is also true that you do not have to disclose this information. But by my moral principles, I will seek the truth. If I get banned for it, then so be it. To me, the truth is worth it.
At the way I am seeing it right now, Naka is being corrupted right now and I am trying to set it free. Withholding information that has no reason to be withheld is a grievous sin in my opinion.
What all do you really have to lose to explain it? I have Asylums permission to seek the truth. They want an answer as much as I do. We can guess on the matter all we want, but we will not know for sure without your support on the matter.
Sincerely,
Mike
From: SinisterBug To: get_mik Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:53 pm Subject: Re: A question about a vender I will no longer respond to these personal PMs. As I have said, direct your concerns to info@naka-kon.com attn: Con Comm.
RE: The current situation and all‏
From: Mike Tinsley ()
Sent: Thu 3/19/09 10:18 PM
To: Curt Cowguill ()
I would like to have the email you sent her for my records. I have already 13 pages of stuff saved in a MS Word document with the emails you sent me already and all of the pm's I've sent and received on this matter. She has already stated she will not respond to any more pm's from me on the matter and all other forms of communication on it need to be dealt to the different email thing to the committee.
As for the individual who I was talking to he had said that he knew some people with money but the amount of money available was not mentioned to me.
attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Fri 3/20/09 12:00 AM
To: info@naka-kon.com
1 attachment
Asylum An...docx (24.6 KB)
I have tried to get this done privately as Tokage had suggested and SinisterBug told me that they are no longer doing anything via pm's and that I needed to contact you all here this way.
Attached is a word document that has all of the pm's and email info that I have compiled from my own attempts to get to the answers as well as Asylums.
I have caught the Vendor Director saying one thing at one point and stating another again later. She claims to have told Asylum why they were not allowed this year yet in the info given to me from the owner of Asylum no such info was ever truly given. The Vendor Director had stated to me that it was decided before even the tables were sold out that she had the committee's support on the decision to not allow Asylum to go to Naka-kon this year YET did not tell Asylum why in any of those emails as to why and even stated that if tables were to become available that she would notify them.
I do not know SinisterBug personally but from a professional standpoint she is really failing in the public relations area. All Asylum and myself and everyone else that wished for them to be at the convention that I have talked to just want to know the truth behind the matter. We can assume a few issues here and there but I was taught to never assume because of what it makes out of u and me.
I wish Naka to prosper. Heck, if I didn't I wouldn't of done what I could this year to help out. What I am doing is for the sake of making Naka-kon better. I'm sorry if I am stepping on toes but the way I feel about this a great injustice is happening and it is coming off that some of the people in power have an elitist complex or something.
Seriously, why is it such a hassle to just state the reason as to why Asylum Anime was blacklisted? The convention goers as well as the vendor does deserve the right to know the truth.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
Re: The current situation and all‏
From: Asylum Anime ()
Sent: Fri 3/20/09 9:34 AM
To: Mike Tinsley ()
I appreciate all of the effort you are putting into getting to the bottom of this. I have a feeling that as long as H is the head of the dealers Room that she will never let me set up at Naka-kon (No matter how much we kiss her ass). She obviously has something against us but doesn't have the balls to tell us.
Do you think that I should try to press her for an explanation? She doesn't have to be the Vendor's Director for 2010 in order to tell me why she blacklisted me in 2009. I'll be at Gorilla Con today & saturday at the Pittsburg Auditorium if you want to come by & talk. Thanks again for all of your help.
Curt
RE: The current situation and all‏
From: Mike Tinsley ()
Sent: Fri 3/20/09 1:26 PM
To: Curt Cowguill ()
You won't get anything from her. She doesn't have the nerve to explain herself and is hiding behind the committee. So, I sent the committee the one email and I am hoping to get a response back.
I won't be able to make it by today and I highly doubt I will be able to tomorrow due to school work and normal work.
I also will not be working on Wednesday but I will still be coming by. Dusty has school and I'll just have him drop me off after he gets out of some of his classes.
If I were you I would contact the Naka-kon committee and ask for the reasons. She keeps on using them as a shield for her reasons but she also has been proven to of lied to you from the messages you have received and from what I have received.
Mike
Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent: Sat 3/21/09 1:27 PM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
I am here to clear up the confusion about Anime Asylum and their absence at Naka-Kon. We at Naka-Kon run a legit vendors room. We could not accept Anime Asylum to Naka-Kon this year because they have a history of selling bootleg merchandise. While it may be that they do not sell bootleg merchandise at conventions, selling it at all is still illegal.
Sam H
Convention Committee
Naka-Kon 2009
RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Sat 3/21/09 1:44 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
Sam,
I thank you for answering why Asylum Anime was not allowed this year. This was the first straightforward answer on this issue that anyone involved has received or given.
Could you explain to me though why this answer wasn't given in the first place since last August when the issue of Asylum Anime not being on the vendors list? People had been trying to get an answer since then and have been given resistance. As indicated by Holly if tables were to become available Asylum Anime would be notified as her email to them from January stated.
That is very confusing as I'm sure you can see my point.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
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Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 9:33 AM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
To answer your question on why this wasn't answered earlier is because issues like this are a private matter between Naka-Kon and vendors and not meant for the public.
Sam H
Convention Committe
Naka-Kon 2009
RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 2:24 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
The vendor was asking this question because the vendor wasn't given the reason. I have already presented the evidence of this where Asylum Anime was asking and no real reason was given.
To me this isn't a private matter considering that the decision affects more than just the Naka committee but every potential individuals who attends Naka-kon.
The issue was brought up from both Asylum and other individuals like myself. This alone would state that there was public interest in this issue. Seriously, the way not just Asylum Anime has been treated by this entire fiasco but other individuals just trying to get to know why one of their favorite Naka-kon vendors was not allowed to be at Naka-kon this year WAS an issue that should of been made public.
As I had stated in one of my PM's with Tokage, if your going to make a statement, MAKE IT BOLD. If your going to be going against vendors that have bootlegs then make it clear from the start to everyone.
Because the issue was not resolved in the very beginning, two of my threads were deleted on this issue without notice (and mind you they followed the rules for posting) which I am highly offended by, SinisterBug misinterpreted a PM I had sent to her and got overly offended for no reason, Naka has made themselves to appear that they have something to hide which have other individuals wondering about those in power at Naka-kon, and there have been talks amongst other individuals of seeing if they can start their own convention because Naka isn't being honest with people and some of the higher ups are appearing elitist.
This is why unless something is a REAL SECRET that information should be made public. All of this could of been prevented long ago.
And it all started with a Vendor wanting to know why they were not allowed to go to a convention but was not given an honest answer till 3 days ago.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
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Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From:
Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent:
Mon 3/23/09 9:33 AM
To:
Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
To answer your question on why this wasn't answered earlier is because issues like this are a private matter between Naka-Kon and vendors and not meant for the public.
Sam H
Convention Committe
Naka-Kon 2009
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RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 2:24 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
The vendor was asking this question because the vendor wasn't given the reason. I have already presented the evidence of this where Asylum Anime was asking and no real reason was given.
To me this isn't a private matter considering that the decision affects more than just the Naka committee but every potential individuals who attends Naka-kon.
The issue was brought up from both Asylum and other individuals like myself. This alone would state that there was public interest in this issue. Seriously, the way not just Asylum Anime has been treated by this entire fiasco but other individuals just trying to get to know why one of their favorite Naka-kon vendors was not allowed to be at Naka-kon this year WAS an issue that should of been made public.
As I had stated in one of my PM's with Tokage, if your going to make a statement, MAKE IT BOLD. If your going to be going against vendors that have bootlegs then make it clear from the start to everyone.
Because the issue was not resolved in the very beginning, two of my threads were deleted on this issue without notice (and mind you they followed the rules for posting) which I am highly offended by, SinisterBug misinterpreted a PM I had sent to her and got overly offended for no reason, Naka has made themselves to appear that they have something to hide which have other individuals wondering about those in power at Naka-kon, and there have been talks amongst other individuals of seeing if they can start their own convention because Naka isn't being honest with people and some of the higher ups are appearing elitist.
This is why unless something is a REAL SECRET that information should be made public. All of this could of been prevented long ago.
And it all started with a Vendor wanting to know why they were not allowed to go to a convention but was not given an honest answer till 3 days ago.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
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Re: Apparently Asylum not being at Naka was a private issue‏
From: Asylum Anime (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 10:26 PM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
It's a REALLY PRIVATE ISSUE. They don't even tell the VENDOR!!! Thanks for helping to bring this to light.
Curt
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Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent: Tue 3/24/09 4:51 PM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
Our bootleg policy is on our site. I'll direct you to it in case you haven't seen it. http://naka-kon.com/exhibithall
Sam Hemphill
Convention Committee
Naka-Kon 2009
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FW: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Wed 3/25/09 1:56 AM
To: info@naka-kon.com
Cc: Curt Cowguill (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sam,
Here is what it states on the site which I am sure you know.
Bootlegs
Naka-Kon Anime Convention and it's staff take a firm and serious stance on bootleg merchandise in the Vendor Room. While Naka-Kon staff takes several precautions in selecting our vendors to prevent illegal merchandise being sold, if you, the con goer, see bootleg merchandise being sold at Naka-Kon, please contact a member of the Vendor Room staff immediately.
It doesn't say anything about bootleg merchandise at the vendor's store, just the Vendor Room, which Asylum has prided themselves in following all convention vendor room policies.
Mike
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Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Asylum Anime (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sent: Wed 3/25/09 11:22 AM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
EXACTLY!! I always try to check what the policy of each convention is about bootleg merchandise before I go in order to follow their rules. Did the NAKA-KON staff go to the stores of the other dealers that was at NAKA-KON to see if they sold Bootleg merchandise? I could name at least 4 other dealers at NAKA-KON 2009 who sell bootlegs (OR have had a HISTORY of selling bootleg items) in their stores. They should not base their decision on what we sell in their stores unless they check EVEYONE'S store who is a potential vendor at NAKA-KON.
I'd like to know how many of the NAKA-KON staff have DOWNLOADED anime from the Internet? If so, they too have BROKEN THE LAW!!! Downloading anime off of the Internet is a MUCH BIGGER problem now than selling asian DVDs.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!!"
I'm sorry about the rant, but these bunch of assholes at NAKA-KON are really pissing me off. I doubt that they will ever concede to let me set up there ever again(Especially if Holly is in charge).
Curt
PS. Thanks again for all your help. I believe that they are telling you things that they would never tell me.
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RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Thu 3/26/09 1:44 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
Cc: Curt Cowguill (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sam,
Curt (the owner of Asylum) was wondering when was the last time anyone from Naka-kon checked out Asylum?
Also, all of the bootlegs that were at Asylum are no longer there. This entire situation could of been taken care of IF the Vending Director had told Asylum Anime (not Anime Asylum) the truth from the very beginning instead of giving them false hopes about them being able to make it to the convention if tables were to become available amongst other things.
Here is the last private message I got from Curt.
Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Asylum Anime (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sent: Wed 3/25/09 11:22 AM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
EXACTLY!! I always try to check what the policy of each convention is about bootleg merchandise before I go in order to follow their rules. Did the NAKA-KON staff go to the stores of the other dealers that was at NAKA-KON to see if they sold Bootleg merchandise? I could name at least 4 other dealers at NAKA-KON 2009 who sell bootlegs (OR have had a HISTORY of selling bootleg items) in their stores. They should not base their decision on what we sell in their stores unless they check EVEYONE'S store who is a potential vendor at NAKA-KON.
I'd like to know how many of the NAKA-KON staff have DOWNLOADED anime from the Internet? If so, they too have BROKEN THE LAW!!! Downloading anime off of the Internet is a MUCH BIGGER problem now than selling asian DVDs.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!!"
I'm sorry about the rant, but the people at NAKA-KON are really pissing me off. I doubt that they will ever concede to let me set up there ever again(Especially if Holly is in charge).
Curt
PS. Thanks again for all your help. I believe that they are telling you things that they would never tell me.
Curt had tried to get this information before. I had already proven that from the word document I sent to you when we first started discussing this issue. I have presented evidence in every email I have sent on this issue from the very beginning, even before discussing this with you Sam and what I have been given is resistance.
I was a debater in high school so I know all too well how evidence is vital in proving a point. So far everything that has been sent to me from Naka-kon I have been able to point out the errors in logic, the errors in how it was handled, and even in some cases the flat lies that were given to not just myself but to Asylum Anime.
I would highly suggest an ethics committee be created to deal with such issues. I'd be more than glad to help out with it. I am not trying to destroy Naka-kon. I am trying to ensure that Naka-kon does not become corrupted.
As I have stated in previous messages, it appears that some of the higher ups at naka-kon have developed an elitist view. This will be a major blow to Naka-kon if this keeps going on. No one is better than anyone else. Without the fan support base, Naka-kon would not of grown as much as it has so why has the fan base been disregarded so harshly?
Holly stated that I could ask Asylum Anime for the info as to why they were not invited or allowed to make it to the convention. She opened the flood gates by doing so then tried to close them off. She even stated in one of her emails to them that she was too busy to respond back to them till the time she did, mind you, this was a 3 MONTH PERIOD before Asylum got their first response and it was only after Curt had tried a despiration attempt and emailed everyone on the list of staff. Then she said she wouldn't reply to any more emails till after the convention, never once stating it was due to the fact that they had bootlegs in their store was why they were blacklisted.
So I ask again, why was this NOT resolved back in August between the Vendors and the Naka-kon committee?
Here's even a better question now. Will you even allow Asylum Anime back to Naka-kon 2010? They have complied with taking their bootlegs out of their store, which I'm sure IF TOLD that was the reason before they would of most likely done that in AUGUST.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
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More to be added as it is known.
Mik
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent: Sat 3/21/09 1:27 PM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
I am here to clear up the confusion about Anime Asylum and their absence at Naka-Kon. We at Naka-Kon run a legit vendors room. We could not accept Anime Asylum to Naka-Kon this year because they have a history of selling bootleg merchandise. While it may be that they do not sell bootleg merchandise at conventions, selling it at all is still illegal.
Sam H
Convention Committee
Naka-Kon 2009
RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Sat 3/21/09 1:44 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
Sam,
I thank you for answering why Asylum Anime was not allowed this year. This was the first straightforward answer on this issue that anyone involved has received or given.
Could you explain to me though why this answer wasn't given in the first place since last August when the issue of Asylum Anime not being on the vendors list? People had been trying to get an answer since then and have been given resistance. As indicated by Holly if tables were to become available Asylum Anime would be notified as her email to them from January stated.
That is very confusing as I'm sure you can see my point.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
--------------------
Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 9:33 AM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
To answer your question on why this wasn't answered earlier is because issues like this are a private matter between Naka-Kon and vendors and not meant for the public.
Sam H
Convention Committe
Naka-Kon 2009
RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 2:24 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
The vendor was asking this question because the vendor wasn't given the reason. I have already presented the evidence of this where Asylum Anime was asking and no real reason was given.
To me this isn't a private matter considering that the decision affects more than just the Naka committee but every potential individuals who attends Naka-kon.
The issue was brought up from both Asylum and other individuals like myself. This alone would state that there was public interest in this issue. Seriously, the way not just Asylum Anime has been treated by this entire fiasco but other individuals just trying to get to know why one of their favorite Naka-kon vendors was not allowed to be at Naka-kon this year WAS an issue that should of been made public.
As I had stated in one of my PM's with Tokage, if your going to make a statement, MAKE IT BOLD. If your going to be going against vendors that have bootlegs then make it clear from the start to everyone.
Because the issue was not resolved in the very beginning, two of my threads were deleted on this issue without notice (and mind you they followed the rules for posting) which I am highly offended by, SinisterBug misinterpreted a PM I had sent to her and got overly offended for no reason, Naka has made themselves to appear that they have something to hide which have other individuals wondering about those in power at Naka-kon, and there have been talks amongst other individuals of seeing if they can start their own convention because Naka isn't being honest with people and some of the higher ups are appearing elitist.
This is why unless something is a REAL SECRET that information should be made public. All of this could of been prevented long ago.
And it all started with a Vendor wanting to know why they were not allowed to go to a convention but was not given an honest answer till 3 days ago.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
---------------------------
Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From:
Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent:
Mon 3/23/09 9:33 AM
To:
Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
To answer your question on why this wasn't answered earlier is because issues like this are a private matter between Naka-Kon and vendors and not meant for the public.
Sam H
Convention Committe
Naka-Kon 2009
--------------------------------
RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 2:24 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
The vendor was asking this question because the vendor wasn't given the reason. I have already presented the evidence of this where Asylum Anime was asking and no real reason was given.
To me this isn't a private matter considering that the decision affects more than just the Naka committee but every potential individuals who attends Naka-kon.
The issue was brought up from both Asylum and other individuals like myself. This alone would state that there was public interest in this issue. Seriously, the way not just Asylum Anime has been treated by this entire fiasco but other individuals just trying to get to know why one of their favorite Naka-kon vendors was not allowed to be at Naka-kon this year WAS an issue that should of been made public.
As I had stated in one of my PM's with Tokage, if your going to make a statement, MAKE IT BOLD. If your going to be going against vendors that have bootlegs then make it clear from the start to everyone.
Because the issue was not resolved in the very beginning, two of my threads were deleted on this issue without notice (and mind you they followed the rules for posting) which I am highly offended by, SinisterBug misinterpreted a PM I had sent to her and got overly offended for no reason, Naka has made themselves to appear that they have something to hide which have other individuals wondering about those in power at Naka-kon, and there have been talks amongst other individuals of seeing if they can start their own convention because Naka isn't being honest with people and some of the higher ups are appearing elitist.
This is why unless something is a REAL SECRET that information should be made public. All of this could of been prevented long ago.
And it all started with a Vendor wanting to know why they were not allowed to go to a convention but was not given an honest answer till 3 days ago.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
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Re: Apparently Asylum not being at Naka was a private issue‏
From: Asylum Anime (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sent: Mon 3/23/09 10:26 PM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
It's a REALLY PRIVATE ISSUE. They don't even tell the VENDOR!!! Thanks for helping to bring this to light.
Curt
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Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Naka-Kon Anime Convention (info@naka-kon.com)
Sent: Tue 3/24/09 4:51 PM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
Our bootleg policy is on our site. I'll direct you to it in case you haven't seen it. http://naka-kon.com/exhibithall
Sam Hemphill
Convention Committee
Naka-Kon 2009
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FW: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Wed 3/25/09 1:56 AM
To: info@naka-kon.com
Cc: Curt Cowguill (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sam,
Here is what it states on the site which I am sure you know.
Bootlegs
Naka-Kon Anime Convention and it's staff take a firm and serious stance on bootleg merchandise in the Vendor Room. While Naka-Kon staff takes several precautions in selecting our vendors to prevent illegal merchandise being sold, if you, the con goer, see bootleg merchandise being sold at Naka-Kon, please contact a member of the Vendor Room staff immediately.
It doesn't say anything about bootleg merchandise at the vendor's store, just the Vendor Room, which Asylum has prided themselves in following all convention vendor room policies.
Mike
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Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Asylum Anime (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sent: Wed 3/25/09 11:22 AM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
EXACTLY!! I always try to check what the policy of each convention is about bootleg merchandise before I go in order to follow their rules. Did the NAKA-KON staff go to the stores of the other dealers that was at NAKA-KON to see if they sold Bootleg merchandise? I could name at least 4 other dealers at NAKA-KON 2009 who sell bootlegs (OR have had a HISTORY of selling bootleg items) in their stores. They should not base their decision on what we sell in their stores unless they check EVEYONE'S store who is a potential vendor at NAKA-KON.
I'd like to know how many of the NAKA-KON staff have DOWNLOADED anime from the Internet? If so, they too have BROKEN THE LAW!!! Downloading anime off of the Internet is a MUCH BIGGER problem now than selling asian DVDs.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!!"
I'm sorry about the rant, but these bunch of assholes at NAKA-KON are really pissing me off. I doubt that they will ever concede to let me set up there ever again(Especially if Holly is in charge).
Curt
PS. Thanks again for all your help. I believe that they are telling you things that they would never tell me.
--------------------
RE: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Sent: Thu 3/26/09 1:44 PM
To: info@naka-kon.com
Cc: Curt Cowguill (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sam,
Curt (the owner of Asylum) was wondering when was the last time anyone from Naka-kon checked out Asylum?
Also, all of the bootlegs that were at Asylum are no longer there. This entire situation could of been taken care of IF the Vending Director had told Asylum Anime (not Anime Asylum) the truth from the very beginning instead of giving them false hopes about them being able to make it to the convention if tables were to become available amongst other things.
Here is the last private message I got from Curt.
Re: attn: Con Comm‏
From: Asylum Anime (ccowguill@cox.net)
Sent: Wed 3/25/09 11:22 AM
To: Mike Tinsley (get_inuyasha@hotmail.com)
Mike,
EXACTLY!! I always try to check what the policy of each convention is about bootleg merchandise before I go in order to follow their rules. Did the NAKA-KON staff go to the stores of the other dealers that was at NAKA-KON to see if they sold Bootleg merchandise? I could name at least 4 other dealers at NAKA-KON 2009 who sell bootlegs (OR have had a HISTORY of selling bootleg items) in their stores. They should not base their decision on what we sell in their stores unless they check EVEYONE'S store who is a potential vendor at NAKA-KON.
I'd like to know how many of the NAKA-KON staff have DOWNLOADED anime from the Internet? If so, they too have BROKEN THE LAW!!! Downloading anime off of the Internet is a MUCH BIGGER problem now than selling asian DVDs.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!!"
I'm sorry about the rant, but the people at NAKA-KON are really pissing me off. I doubt that they will ever concede to let me set up there ever again(Especially if Holly is in charge).
Curt
PS. Thanks again for all your help. I believe that they are telling you things that they would never tell me.
Curt had tried to get this information before. I had already proven that from the word document I sent to you when we first started discussing this issue. I have presented evidence in every email I have sent on this issue from the very beginning, even before discussing this with you Sam and what I have been given is resistance.
I was a debater in high school so I know all too well how evidence is vital in proving a point. So far everything that has been sent to me from Naka-kon I have been able to point out the errors in logic, the errors in how it was handled, and even in some cases the flat lies that were given to not just myself but to Asylum Anime.
I would highly suggest an ethics committee be created to deal with such issues. I'd be more than glad to help out with it. I am not trying to destroy Naka-kon. I am trying to ensure that Naka-kon does not become corrupted.
As I have stated in previous messages, it appears that some of the higher ups at naka-kon have developed an elitist view. This will be a major blow to Naka-kon if this keeps going on. No one is better than anyone else. Without the fan support base, Naka-kon would not of grown as much as it has so why has the fan base been disregarded so harshly?
Holly stated that I could ask Asylum Anime for the info as to why they were not invited or allowed to make it to the convention. She opened the flood gates by doing so then tried to close them off. She even stated in one of her emails to them that she was too busy to respond back to them till the time she did, mind you, this was a 3 MONTH PERIOD before Asylum got their first response and it was only after Curt had tried a despiration attempt and emailed everyone on the list of staff. Then she said she wouldn't reply to any more emails till after the convention, never once stating it was due to the fact that they had bootlegs in their store was why they were blacklisted.
So I ask again, why was this NOT resolved back in August between the Vendors and the Naka-kon committee?
Here's even a better question now. Will you even allow Asylum Anime back to Naka-kon 2010? They have complied with taking their bootlegs out of their store, which I'm sure IF TOLD that was the reason before they would of most likely done that in AUGUST.
Sincerely,
Mike Tinsley
-----------------
More to be added as it is known.
Mik
Urgh, i'm interested but have noo time to read quite that much. A digest, if possible? xD
So, they had fansub DVDs that they were selling? (granted left over at the store from before the show was licensed state side) and this is why they were blocked?
To be honest, if I was in a position of power like them and a vender had been selling fansubs (assuming they are not the or part of the group responsible for the subs) , that I would reprimand and levy penalties against them too. Perhaps not something so stiff as a 1 year ban, but also would have told the directly and let it be openly known. People who hide behind committees and desks deserve not respect but pity.
tl:dr, one vendor got ban-hammered from a convention because their store (not the tent/table whatever) has old DVDs of shows before they were licensed state side. Woman director is being a bureaucratic pussy and hiding behind red-tape rather than stating things outright.
To be honest, if I was in a position of power like them and a vender had been selling fansubs (assuming they are not the or part of the group responsible for the subs) , that I would reprimand and levy penalties against them too. Perhaps not something so stiff as a 1 year ban, but also would have told the directly and let it be openly known. People who hide behind committees and desks deserve not respect but pity.
tl:dr, one vendor got ban-hammered from a convention because their store (not the tent/table whatever) has old DVDs of shows before they were licensed state side. Woman director is being a bureaucratic pussy and hiding behind red-tape rather than stating things outright.
I read all of it, and my opinion is that the director was bribed; thus the reason she has been so shut up in it and all. A contending anime merchandising shop could be the culprit of the bribe, and as she seemed to emphasize not being paid at one time or another and met you with open hostility then a blatant disregard to do what is proper, I believe that there was money flashed around and she is trying to hide it. Money closes mouths and gets results where you would not think things could.
It's quite sad to see this happening to you Mik, and to your friends at the Anime Asylum; I don't know Curt or any of them, but I know you and all of my experiences with you have always been pleasant, even when I was that noob who asked you random noob questions in PMs. I feel sick, presently, that anybody could suggest an unsolicited attack (the part where she accused you of not being able to say that you understand what it is like to do a volunteer job and have a life outside of it) from you, and I personally think that what you are doing is for the best. If they ban you, let me know, I'll get started in this crap too if you lose channels, and I have no qualms about raising a little hell.
It's quite sad to see this happening to you Mik, and to your friends at the Anime Asylum; I don't know Curt or any of them, but I know you and all of my experiences with you have always been pleasant, even when I was that noob who asked you random noob questions in PMs. I feel sick, presently, that anybody could suggest an unsolicited attack (the part where she accused you of not being able to say that you understand what it is like to do a volunteer job and have a life outside of it) from you, and I personally think that what you are doing is for the best. If they ban you, let me know, I'll get started in this crap too if you lose channels, and I have no qualms about raising a little hell.
I am currently inclined to put out The Word on Naka-Kon among prospective GoHs.
GoH? like grand opera house? I really don't follow you finder.
Game of Houses maybe? Not sure what daes' daemur has to do with it other than the certain level of subterfuge...
Most probably don't even know what the game of houses are anyway...
Most probably don't even know what the game of houses are anyway...
Guest of Honors.
Naka-kon this year just messed up a lot and it didn't feel right at all.
Basically, they blacklisted Asylum Anime due to the fact that they have some very old DVD's that they bought from japan and hong kong, in theory, before they were licensed over here.
The main reason of the frustration is most likely due to Greg Ayres. His main panels are against fansubs and bootlegs and of the sort from what I have heard. He also was supposed to be a guest of honor but got sick before the convention.
As for Asylum, they follow every letter to the T on what conventions will allow and won't allow. He doesn't take his dvd's to the ones that do not allow them, therefore, there was no reason to blacklist them. And considering that all of the dvd's he has remaining are from YEARS ago... he's having problems just selling them for 3-5 dollars per box set, since they are subtitled and all.
Mike
Naka-kon this year just messed up a lot and it didn't feel right at all.
Basically, they blacklisted Asylum Anime due to the fact that they have some very old DVD's that they bought from japan and hong kong, in theory, before they were licensed over here.
The main reason of the frustration is most likely due to Greg Ayres. His main panels are against fansubs and bootlegs and of the sort from what I have heard. He also was supposed to be a guest of honor but got sick before the convention.
As for Asylum, they follow every letter to the T on what conventions will allow and won't allow. He doesn't take his dvd's to the ones that do not allow them, therefore, there was no reason to blacklist them. And considering that all of the dvd's he has remaining are from YEARS ago... he's having problems just selling them for 3-5 dollars per box set, since they are subtitled and all.
Mike
Third post is updated. Finally, a straightforward answer.
Mik
Mik
I've just got to ask one question, with the availability of FREE and quality fansubs.... who is out buying bootleg copies? I do not understand whatsoever, if someone can enlighten me then please do so.
That is the point. The last of these bootlegs he has won't sell. He bought them years ago, and I mean YEARS ago. Basically, maybe a few past the start of the time that this forum was created... but not many.
And they are hassling him over that bs. lmfao
Mik
And they are hassling him over that bs. lmfao
Mik
Greg Ayers... never met him but I've seen his 2007 and 2008 panels on youtube (I talk about this another thread, kinda). The 07 one is 2 hours and 08 is 1 hour. But he reveals a lot about the anime industry and makes great points on why fansubbing is bad. You guys should check them out if you find the time. They are both divided up into... I think 18 parts.
Reason why bootlegs sell? Modern bootlegs have both sub and dubs on them. The bootleggers just copy the original US release DVDs, and try to pass them off as legitimate merchandise. So the people who do buy them think they are getting the real deal for a low price. But in the end the studio isn't getting any money, only a criminal.
The bootlegs that have fansubs? Same thing. The bootleggers try to pass it off as legit copies.
As for that guy being banned? I kinda understand why. But if he wasn't going to bring those bootlegs in then he should've been allowed to set up a booth or whatever there.
Reason why bootlegs sell? Modern bootlegs have both sub and dubs on them. The bootleggers just copy the original US release DVDs, and try to pass them off as legitimate merchandise. So the people who do buy them think they are getting the real deal for a low price. But in the end the studio isn't getting any money, only a criminal.
The bootlegs that have fansubs? Same thing. The bootleggers try to pass it off as legit copies.
As for that guy being banned? I kinda understand why. But if he wasn't going to bring those bootlegs in then he should've been allowed to set up a booth or whatever there.
The bootlegs he has don't have both dub and sub, just sub, as in they were originals he brought over, just like most other merchandise that is not imported over here from companies but from visitors to Japan.
From my understanding they are only bootlegged due to the fact that they weren't the licensed dvd's for this area.
Anyhow, as stated, the amount of them that he has is very limited as he hasn't bought any in years. Also, Asylum Anime has been with the convention since the first one back in 2005 and they knew then he was selling such dvd's in his store since then. That means, 4 years of them working with Asylum Anime with no problems.
The issue we were facing was that no one at naka-kon would tell him why he was being blacklisted. It wasn't until I got that email not even two days ago that we had an honest and straightforward answer. I know that Asylum Anime had been contacting Naka since at least August/September of last year. I have been keeping tabs on their involvement of being a Vendor for this year.
What he sells at the conventions is a variety of items. A little bit of everything, excluding his dvd's. He always bought almost an entire section of tables, 5 tables he was aiming for this year. He has outfits, wallscrolls, pockey, figurines, etc... that he brings to the conventions. A lot of the stuff you don't see with the other vendors.
Mik
From my understanding they are only bootlegged due to the fact that they weren't the licensed dvd's for this area.
Anyhow, as stated, the amount of them that he has is very limited as he hasn't bought any in years. Also, Asylum Anime has been with the convention since the first one back in 2005 and they knew then he was selling such dvd's in his store since then. That means, 4 years of them working with Asylum Anime with no problems.
The issue we were facing was that no one at naka-kon would tell him why he was being blacklisted. It wasn't until I got that email not even two days ago that we had an honest and straightforward answer. I know that Asylum Anime had been contacting Naka since at least August/September of last year. I have been keeping tabs on their involvement of being a Vendor for this year.
What he sells at the conventions is a variety of items. A little bit of everything, excluding his dvd's. He always bought almost an entire section of tables, 5 tables he was aiming for this year. He has outfits, wallscrolls, pockey, figurines, etc... that he brings to the conventions. A lot of the stuff you don't see with the other vendors.
Mik
Well, getting bootleg dubs is one thing... but (as an example) Gundam 00 airs on saturday night (US Eastern timezone) and as early as late sunday you have a good sub. By mid-day to 7pm (again eastern) you have a sub by gSS, shinsen or whoever up on www.watchgundamepisodesonline.com that hosts a download (via megaupload) and the ability to play via megavideo on browser.... Someone who buys a bootleg sub-titled show today has to be an idiot to do so.... that or their show isn't popular with western audiences and there is no fansub support.
Also if I recall the Char's Counter-Attack movie files I got from above site were DVD rips with dual audio and dual subtitles..... files have since been purged via death of original laptop.
edit: My laptop I mean, files are still on site.
Also if I recall the Char's Counter-Attack movie files I got from above site were DVD rips with dual audio and dual subtitles..... files have since been purged via death of original laptop.
edit: My laptop I mean, files are still on site.
Third post updated yet again.
I also would like to state that the very few bootlegs of Asian DVD's that was at Asylum are no longer there.
I would very much appreciate it if Naka-kon would stop giving me half baked answers... I have shot down every single one of their excuses using their own information given to me back at them.
Mik
I also would like to state that the very few bootlegs of Asian DVD's that was at Asylum are no longer there.
I would very much appreciate it if Naka-kon would stop giving me half baked answers... I have shot down every single one of their excuses using their own information given to me back at them.
Mik
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